i consider it very funny....what about you..

[hair]

well whatever the case is, dont advertise that you can get people in the top 10 without being able to get yourself in the top 10. PERIOD. -- This message may have been cut off and the rest will only be shown to members. To become a member, click here --

[ABRAHM]

yea nice,, i think so too, -- This message may have been cut off and the rest will only be shown to members. To become a member, click here --

[FALON]

What about those SEO companies that are just starting?

How can they take a new website and instantly blast them to the top in one second. Optimization takes a lot of time if you wan to get to the top of relative searches.If a search engine optimization company had a clients with sites that are at the top, then they could use those as examples. -- This message may have been cut off and the rest will only be shown to members. To become a member, click here --

[hair]

Originally Posted by FALON

What about those SEO companies that are just starting?

How can they take a new website and instantly blast them to the top in one second. Optimization takes a lot of time if you wan to get to the top of relative searches.If a search engine optimization company had a clients with sites that are at the top, then they could use those as examples.

You answered your own question. They JUST started.
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[kofi]

Hehe it's the same as those guys saying they can teach you how to
make millions when they haven't done it themselves. -- This message may have been cut off and the rest will only be shown to members. To become a member, click here --

[DEEP]

Originally Posted by hair

You answered your own question. They JUST started.

Think about it, would you hire someone who claims they can get your great rankings but are ranked poorly themselves? I sure as hell wouldnt, just doesnt make sense too. If they can't get themselves to the top, what makes you think they can get me to the top?

Well this is not the case always !! I co-owned a company and website which ranked pretty well w -- This message may have been cut off and the rest will only be shown to members. To become a member, click here --

[RAI]

A SEO company should not advertise their services of getting you in the top 10 if they can't even get themselves in the top 10

but there is only place for maybe 200 seo-companies worldwide i assume that google in different countries shows different results. if i would be a seo company, i would advertise like "the guy on place 1 for [carbrand cityname] is my client" or something like this... -- This message may have been cut off and the rest will only be shown to members. To become a member, click here --

[sangtar]

I have clients at #1 in organic SERP's where the PPC cost is £10-30 per click. What does where MY site rank matter? I have clients first page for mortgages, credit management, sex toys, But is DOES NOT MATTER where MY site ranks. MY site does not pay me money. When I DID rank first page for phrases like internet marketing company, I ended up spending 2 hours or so a day writing 'sorry but I am not taking on new clients' emails. My site is still page 1 for some internet marketing phrases, but it does me no good, because I am busy enough! -- This message may have been cut off and the rest will only be shown to members. To become a member, click here --

[hair]

I was simply doing research on SEO companies when I came across more then a handful who guarantee first pages results and yada yada, but i found them on the 8 or 9th page! This is why I said what I said. Old Welsh - I think it does matter where your site ranks, better rankings = more money, most of the time. If you're turning away customers then I think you need to expand and hire more people. You're just turning away the green.
I'm sure you're good at what you do but it seems like a lot of "companies" over-promise and under-deliver. They create a site and claim how good they are, they build a couple links for you, change a few meta tags, all of the sudden they're SEO "experts". This market is flooded with wannabes. I know that there are a few out there that do acutally know what they're doing but most dont. -- This message may have been cut off and the rest will only be shown to members. To become a member, click here --

[monk]

you have hit the nail on the head. A lot of companies do over promise and under deliver. And you found them all by looking in the serps. Even seomoz, a company 100% about seo and with a huge number of links, doesn't rank in the top 10 for seo.
If you had asked some legitimate sites that make good money from organic listings who did their seo then you would have come across people like OWG.Rank for something like SEO or, even worse, cheap seo, then you just get people trying to get free advice and low priced services which you can't provide. -- This message may have been cut off and the rest will only be shown to members. To become a member, click here --